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Possible reasons why Lorber's writings were set on the index by the First Vatican Council of 1869/1870:
Conversion of some Jesuits and other Catholics in the afterlife (Bishop Martin/ Sunsets to Sunrises):
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DISCUSSION BETWEEN A JESUIT AND BISHOP MARTIN. -ADVICE TO A SISTER OF CHARITY WHO IS AFRAID OF HELL.
"(A Jesuit steps forward and says): "Noble friend, you do not appear to think much of arts and sciences, considering your dislike of the worthy Ladies of the Sacred Heart. They are the only female order that indulges in sciences and arts from early morning till late at night, and, consequently, they come closest to our order of the Society of Jesus. Dear brother and friend, you should really treat these ladies with more respect and love."
(Bishop Martin): "Why should I treat those silly, conceited females with more respect? I have shown them too much respect already! Actually, they should be sent packing for another million years until they forget their foreign languages, which might do them a lot of good.
As I look at them now, I see rage and arrogance in their eyes. They would very much like to dissemble, but that is impossible in the spirit world, and especially such loose spirits are soon seen through and recognized for what they really are. Because I do see through them and find their great folly sickening, I sent them to that distant corner to get rid of their annoying sight.
You yourself, and all the others of your silly order, should not take pride in your most unsuitable name. Think it over and tell me what gives you the right to call yourselves Jesuits? Who has given you permission to desecrate that divine name?
You will then perhaps understand how shamefully you all have misused this holiest of names and in what way you could atone for this sacrilege.
Can any one of you say, 'Jesus, the Lord has appointed us like He did Paul and Peter'? Has any one of you ever seen Jesus or talked to Him, or have you, during your life on earth, thought more highly of the Gospel than of Ignatius of Loyola? You were, in fact, most determined adversaries of Jesus Christ, but still you call yourselves 'Jesu-its'!"
(The Jesuit): "Dearest friend, you obviously know little or nothing about this matter. Don't you know what Omnia ad majorem dei gloriam (Everything for the greater glory of God) means? On this our name is founded. It is not as if the Lord Jesus Himself appointed us, but we chose this name for His greater glory. I am quite aware that the means as such is not commendable, but that does not matter as long as the end justifies the means."
(Bishop Martin): "You also speak like a fool and judge divine things like a blind man might judge colors. Do you think the Great God, Who is forever glorified by countless myriads of unheard-of wonders through the whole of infinity - wonders so sublime and incomprehensible in their divine beauty that their sight would kill you - might gain anything at all in His glory if you call yourself improperly 'Jesuit' for His sake, or if you endeavored to achieve seemingly good ends through a thousand different, sometimes most disgraceful, means?
Do you believe that Jesus through some monk instituted the shameful Inquisition for His greater glory? Or do you think that Jesus looks favorably upon autodafes and other abominations of yours, performed for His greater glory, with quite another, secret, disgraceful end in mind?
Or do you think that the Lord Jesus looked favorably on your actions when you made a girl pregnant and then, ad majorem dei gloriam had her immured alive in a crypt? Or if, for the greater glory of God, by the foulest of means, you took possession of the property of a thousand widows and orphans, and afterwards showed no pity when you saw them languish in great misery?
Do you seriously believe this could be for the greater glory of God, and that the Lord Jesus would look favorably on such a way of glorifying His name? If you really believe this, you are the most pitiful creature in the whole of God's infinity!
What would you say if Jesus, the sole eternal Lord and God of heaven and the endless myriads of worlds, would stand here before you and ask how you and all your followers have handled His Word? And who has entitled you to desecrate His most holy name so abominably? What would you, all of you, reply to the almighty, eternal God? They are all obviously seized with terror, resulting in a benumbed apathy. No one dares say a word to Bishop Martin, for they now take him for an Angel of Judgment.
(Only one, a Sister of Charity, approaches Bishop Martin fearfully, and says): "O angel, judging us in the name of God, do not condemn us to hell, but we are quite willing in the name of God to be sent to purgatory. Oh, oh, what a terribly severe judge you are! Do have some pity with us poor sinners!"
(Bishop Martin): "Compose yourself, you foolish Sister of Charity! I am no judge, only a poor sinner myself, hoping for the Lord's mercy. However, God be thanked, I now see my great folly and want to show you yours, to help rid yourselves of it and become what the eternal order of the Lord wants you to be. Otherwise, instead of proceeding toward ever-increasing bliss, your misery will keep growing worse all the time.
My willingness not to send you away but instead take you all in and keep you here if you want to stay, proves that I am not judging you. But if you do stay, you must not hold on to your follies, but accept advice from one who has been here much longer and who has surely more experience than you newcomers to this world. Now, calm yourselves and ponder on my words!"
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BISHOP MARTIN'S DISCUSSION WITH TWO OTHER JESUITS AND TWO LIGUORISTS.
(Two other Jesuits and two Liguorists go up to Bishop Martin and say): "Dearest and best friend, we quite agree with the advice you have given to all of us. As matters now have turned out, we have no complaints, and if we could find some minor occupation, we would be quite pleased with our lot and not want for anything better for the whole of eternity. However, if we have to spend eternity without anything to do, we would prefer total extinction to an inactive life."
2 (Bishop Martin): "Friends, can you read what is written on this round, white tablet?"
3 (One of the four says): "Oh yes, it is something quite ominous: Dies irae, dies ilia! (Day of the wrath, that day!). Libera nos ab omni malo! (Deliver us from all evil!). Memento, homo, quia pulvis es et in pulverem reverteris! (Remember, man, that you are dust and shall revert to dust!). Requiescant in pace! (May they rest in peace!). Requiem aeternam dona eis, domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis! (Give them, Lord, eternal rest and may the eternal light shine for them!). Ex profundis clamavi! (I cried from the depth!). Clamor meus ad te veniat! (May my cries reach You!). Vitam aeternam dona eis, domine, et sedere in sino Abrahami, et considere ad mensam illius, et comedere cum illo per omnia secuta seculorum, amen! (Give them eternal life, Lord, a place in the lap of Abraham, let them sit at his table and dine with him through all eternities, Amen!).
As you see, I can still read, although I feel it to be thousands of millions of years since I have seen any letters. But tell me, what about these old dogmatic phrases? Could it be that they are applied here in the spirit world? If so, our prospects for the whole, long eternity are not too good! O friend, do tell us how we have to understand this!"
(Bishop Martin): "How else should this be understood than as it is written? I assure you, these phrases have no other meaning than what they clearly say with their words. Tell me, have you ever, in the world, put another meaning into these exclamations than the one expressed through their words? If you were satisfied with them in the world, where they brought in money for you and a hidden mental authority, why should they worry you now, when their meaning is practically applied to you? What do you want an occupation for? Requiescant in pace; ergo requiescamus! (May they rest in peace; therefore, let us rest!). This rest in eternal peace you have now found - all of you! There is also light here, continuously shining through the nice large windows. My house is like the lap of Abraham, and the large cupboard over there, filled with good bread and wine, is a true table of Abraham, at which all of us will be dining until the Day of Judgment and, if on that day of wrath you will not be condemned, even after it forever. What more do you want?"
(One of the Liguorists): "You are right, friend. That is probably what we have to expect. But I still feel that this will be terribly boring. Just imagine, to be forever idle, without having to expect any change! Really, friend, think of the boredom in some decillions of earth years! Oh Lord, no living being would be able to stand that!"
(Bishop Martin): "Yes, but what is the use of all your reasoning? Don't you know that it is written that everyone will live according to his belief? Why did we believe all this nonsense if, when it is realized, we do not relish it? If we were stubborn asses in the world, we must now be satisfied with the realization of our foolish beliefs, whether we like it or not. If in the world we had adopted a wiser belief, things would no doubt be much better for us here. But all of us - and I am no exception - were only too happy in the world if we could spread more darkness. Therefore, it should not worry us if here we are buried in our own folly like in a would-be lap of Abraham. Is not the world full of old asses, oxen and blockheads, who are always babbling of enlightenment? Even if they are given enlightenment and better mental food, they ignore it, stay with their old folly, feed on their same old food, and let their eyes feast on the twilight of their cattle-shed, where they can ruminate the foul contents of their mental stomachs. We, too, were such asses, oxen and blockheads! Therefore, we should not be surprised if the Lord provides most generously for our old bestial natures. Those who used to be pleased by folly, let them stay with what pleases them! Those who enjoyed sleep, may sleep here to their heart's content! Those who liked idleness, let them rest here forever! For those who enjoyed food and drink, there is Abraham's table! Those who liked to occupy themselves with virgins, here have the Sisters of Charity, the Teaching Sisters, and the Ladies of the Sacred Heart! We have everything we need - what are we complaining about?"
(They all shrug their shoulders, saying): "You are, of course, right - but our wisdom be damned! We would probably be better off if we could live on earth again as frogs, and croak to our heart's content! But this situation cannot be helped now!"
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HONEST CONFESSION OF THE MINORITE. - ROME AS THE CULPRIT. - BEGINNING
COMPREHENSION AND BETTERMENT OF THE MINORITES.
(A Minorite comes forward and says): "Friends, let me say a few words which, should it turn out that they are of no use, might at least help to pass a little bit of time of the eternal rest ahead of us!"
(All the spirits): "Very well! We shall be happy to listen to you. Already in the world you were known as a wise, ingratiating orator. Go ahead, and speak as much as you want to!"
(The Minorite): "Brothers and friends, in the world all of us had in a way two gospels. On the one hand there was the ancient one by Christ, the Lord, and some of His disciples, and then there was the one of the Roman Catholic Church, claiming to be the only true church, since it believed, and still believes, to have inherited the Holy See from Peter, and to hold the keys for heaven as well as for hell.
We took an oath to be faithful to this church to the end of our days and to believe all it demanded of us - to believe irrespective of whether it was written in the Bible or not! We also vowed to consider everyone a heretic who thought or believed differently, and to condemn him.
We kept our oath in all detail, even if sometimes against our better judgment or plain common sense. You are all aware of the fact that we were forbidden by the church to read the Bible, which was considered a deathly sin, except on Sundays, and then only the much condensed Gospels. All the rest only the theologians were allowed to read and comprehend. Instead, there were for us the Church Fathers, the breviary, the legends; also the rules of the order, Ignatius of Loyola, the relics, the images, the masses, the sacraments, the confession, and other things, many of which we can now openly condemn as evil follies. Now we must ask: Can we be blamed for acting contrary to the true Gospel of Christ through the ordinance of the Roman Church, which must have been at least allowed by God? In accordance with all human, and surely also divine, justice, the real culprit must be made responsible. And we should be advised as to what attitude to adopt for our eternal future, and how we can make amends for what we ourselves may have done wrong."
(Say the others): "Well said! We have really enjoyed your speech! May the culprit be made responsible! The Holy See should be punished, and everyone who forced us into actions without giving us time to think it over, comprehend what we were doing, and consent to it, or otherwise! We were baptized without our consent, and through this premature baptism, we were forced into the Roman creed, thus making the child in the womb already responsible. Or is it not crazy to have a newborn child, through certain representatives, swear an oath of allegiance without taking into consideration that the child, when grown up, may disagree with this vow, and, consequently, be forced into perjury? Is not that totally antichristian? Christ Himself said that he who believed and was baptized would attain salvation. But how can a person be baptized before he has comprehended and accepted the Christian faith? Is not baptism meant to be a living demonstration that somebody has accepted the Christian faith for his sole guiding principle in life? And what does a new-born child know about faith, the Christian faith? The more you think about it, the more you realize the folly of it. It is maintained that, as a result of baptism, remission of the original sin, as well as all sins committed prior to baptism, is obtained. How utterly foolish that is! Can any intelligent person condemn a child because his parents committed an understandable offense? And God, Whose wisdom is supreme, should keep holding children of more than the thousandth generation responsible for Adam's fall? And as to any sins committed prior to baptism - that is quite ridiculous since a child cannot possibly sin in its mother's womb! And what sins could a heathen have who has only just been converted to Christianity, which in itself is heathenish enough? His would have to be sins against his pagan laws for, not having comprehended Christian laws, he could not really offend against them. And the remission of a heathen's heathenish sins would only mean confirmation of his paganism. The same would apply to a Jew, for to forgive a Jew in baptism for being a Jew for so long, would be the acme of foolishness!"
(The Minorite): "Friends, I fully agree with you! This Roman way of making Christians already in the womb really reminds me now of those ancient fairy tales about people selling themselves to the devil. For the vilest reasons of policy, one is practically sold to the devil already in one's mother's womb, and becomes his prisoner through Rome! And this antichristian, so-called 'First Christian Church' even calls itself the 'Mother Church', and its head 'Vicar of Christ'; consequently, vicar of God! How peculiar - and still true - that we were all so wrong and did not even notice it that almost from our birth we were more or less of the devil! Baptism should have freed us from the silly original sin to make us children of God. And nice children of God we have been! Instead of away from hell, we were literally baptized into hell!
And to make sure that no one ever truly repented and thought of betterment, auricular confession was invented appeasing all deathly sins, entitling us priests to total absolution. Hereby every sinner was thrown back into his own sink of iniquity, making it impossible for him ever to become a new creature in Christ.
O brothers, brothers, that God allowed these things to happen will forever remain an unsolvable riddle for us! 'Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.' Fine perfection, indeed, when one had to be a stupid blockhead and is only now, as a spirit, beginning to realize, thanks to the heavenly light, in what error one has lived in the world.
We could say a lot more about this and prove without any doubt that the Holy See is the culprit, fully responsible for all our errors. However, what we, at this stage, understand only partly, the Lord Himself sees clearly in the brightest light, and He will have mercy upon us if we forgive from all our heart all those who were, and are still, responsible for all our darkness. That is how I feel about it. What is your opinion?"
All the others, with the exception of a few Jesuits, fully agree with the speaker.
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BISHOP MARTIN ENLIGHTENS THE SPIRITUALLY BLIND JESUITS.
Now Bishop Martin takes the Jesuits in hand as they keep scratching their heads and shrugging their shoulders, and he addresses them most bluntly:"Why do you disapprove? Do you know more about these things than your quite sensible companions? I doubt it! But I do know what you are up to and why you have misgivings, and I shall tell you what it is that is still covering your eyes with Moses' threefold cover.
Firstly, there is your original obstinacy, still ruling over your minds and preventing any purer light from entering your hearts. Then there is your false belief that nothing but baptism is needed to be a Christian. The moment somebody has been baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, according to your erroneous belief, a Christian is ready-made. And finally, in your arrogance and lust for power, you still imagine yourselves to be the Lord's true disciples, filled with the Holy Ghost, and equipped with all power by Him to do as you please.
Oh, you fools! Whereby can you prove this? Where in the Scriptures is there a text that justifies your folly? Do you believe the Lord has spoken to you antichristians what He has spoken to Peter and His other disciples when He sent them out to preach the Gospel to all nations? It says: 'Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Whatsoever thou shalt bind or loose on earth shall be bound or loosed in heaven.'
Have you ever been in possession of this Holy Ghost? Can the Holy Ghost ever contradict Itself or change an eternal law? Or can It grow wiser and realize that Its original laws are imperfect and have to be superseded by better ones?
Did not the Holy Ghost know at the time of the disciples that at a later time various types of monks would be needed to bring men to heaven? That it would need images, relics, shrines, bells, fonts, incense, vestments, cowls, churches, monasteries, chalices, monstrances, Latinusing ministrants, and a thousand other follies to attain heaven? How blind the Holy Ghost must have been that It did not realize already at the time of the disciples how essential all this was for man's salvation and did not institute it right away!
Or would the first Christians, including Peter and Paul, have really been of the devil because they had no churches, bells, Latin masses, requiem, or miraculous images - not even any confession, extreme unction, passing bell, pall, tapers, and so on? Do you really not see the folly of it? Due to our greed and lust for power, and without the least evangelical authority, and contrary to the Word of God and the teachings of the disciples, we created, so to speak, acts of worship, laws, and ceremonies. Don't you understand that this made us sinners against the Holy Ghost - which sins, it is written, will not be forgiven, neither on earth nor in the beyond?
If you would for once just superficially compare the pure Word of the Lord with our Roman Catholic nonsense, your eyes would be opened and you would see clearly that Rome is nothing else but Babylon, the mother of harlots, as described in the Revelation and, consequently, we, her priests, are not little angels, but devils in the truest sense of the word. Therefore, dear brothers and sisters, let go all your mundane nonsense, and turn together with me to the one God and Lord, Jesus Christ; and all of you will find salvation! But understand this: Not my poor, though well-meant, advice must determine your decision, but only your own will and the call of your heart !"Now they all agree with Bishop Martin, except the Ladies of the Sacred Heart, who say: "We are not going to accept any new teaching from you which could land us in hell, but we'll remain faithful to our Roman Mother, until God Himself, or at least the blessed Virgin Mary, tells us what to do."
(Bishop Martin): "No doubt, you ninnies, the Lord will give you preferential treatment! If you do not want to make the Gospel your guiding principle in eternity, you may stick to your folly forever feeding on the fat of your beloved Roman Mother! And the Lord's wisdom will see to it that you do not get too fat, nor too beautiful! For He has quite an effective superhomeopathic diet for such foolish spirits, which may last for a small eternity, as I know from experience. So let us leave these foolish ladies to their belief and, in the name of the Lord, turn ourselves towards a better light!" (Bishop Martin/ Sunsets to Sunrises chap. 63-65)
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